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the law. they changed the law so that only a special election could fill a vacant seat. until then, the seat would have to be empty. mitt romney tried to veto that new law. but the legislature overrode his veto, thereby stripping mitt romney of his power to choose a replacement. that became a mute point because john kerry didn't win so he stayed on as senator. but then fast forward fife years. 2009. new president barack obama, the country embroiled in a big debate over national health reform. those against it were against it to the point of rage. and those wo who wanted it were excited to be on the cusp of achieving something they had failed to achieve for decades. at the time the democrat hs a majority in the united states senate, 60 seats is a filibuster super majority. that's enough to pass health reform. that majority for the democrats included senator ted kennedy. senator kennedy spent his career trying to pass health reform. it was his life's work. he had done it at the state level with that guy, mitt romney. he had led on the issue nationally for decades. it was his signatur
president's health care law adds a massive, expensive, unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. we can't afford pinpoint and we can't afford to leave it intact. that's why i've been clear that the law has to stay on the table, as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt challenge." mr. boehner, this is not what the election was all about. john boehner, if he is serious, will have to find out, but he certainly isn't very smart. the congressional budget office estimates, they show that the affordable care act will actually reduce the deficit. it doesn't make a lot of sense to get rid of a deficit reduction program, as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house already rejected boehner's idea. obama care will not be part of debt negotiations. boehner is up to something here, don't you think? something else, that is. if you watch john boehner closely over the last two weeks, you can see him laying the ground work for the latest ploy. he call eed obama care the law the land, but also tr
registration law goes back to 1976. it's a proud tradition of the state. it helps college students, minorities and poor people participate in democracy. walker hasn't given up on another form of voter suppression, his voter i.d. law. >> i signed into law last year voter i.d. as you might guess it's stuck in the courts as is often the case. but we will prevail. we didn't have it before the november election, but we will have it in the future. >> really? governor walker your law was struck down by a court for a good reason. if you and your fellow republicans insist on round two, i'll speak for senator fred riser tonight, it will be met with opposition and justice because that's what wisconsin is all about. tonight in our survey, i asked you, who will americans punish for failing to reach a deal if that's the way it goes down? 4% say democrats, 96% say republicans. >>> coming up, actor henry winkler like you have never seen him before. only on "the ed show." stay with us. [ thunder crashes ] [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeow
care law. it once of several decisions the court will make this week including whether to take up several high-profile gay marriages. pete williams joins us. let's start off with the health care. >> they're saying they put up the wrong kind of roadblock to say that it violates religious freedom so they should have another chance to pursue it in the lower courts. it doesn't mean the supreme court is passing one way or the other on the merits. they just think liberty should have another chance so basically start all over and see where that case goes. >> of course, as we mention, zeevl sigss regarding whether to take f the high-profile gay marriage cases. >> right. i think it's a fore gone conclusion the court will agree to hear it. which defines for federal purposes marriage is only between a man and a woman. that means in the nine states that recognize same-sex marriage you're recognized under the state law but not under the federal law and the changes are saying that's understand constitutional. and it denies them about a thousand federal benefits. the oink thing is whether they'l
right would have been so quietly obedient to constitutional law. there's something out there on the right right now that is still uneasy with this defeat. searching desperately for an explanation of how the conservative caterpillar they had right there in their hands became the liberal butterfly now happily fluttering and, yes, defiantly free of them, and they don't like it one bit. i'm joined by rick hertzberg and "the huffington post's" howard fineman. rick, i wonder about this. this sense they have of almost royal ruling class identity with the white house. what do you make of it and their attitude before and after the election? they really weren't going to lose, and they haven't really in some strange way because they got the house. >> yeah. well, this attitude has built up over time over the years. they didn't really think bill clinton was legitimate because ross perot they thought cost him the election. they thought that obama's original election was a freak on account of bush being such a terrible president, and they were not equipped to deal with this defeat, an
a new phase of passive acceptance. since california passed the first medical marijuana law, 18 states and the district of columbia permit it for medicinal use. rhode island and maine are the next states looking to legalize the drug. the movement reflects an increasing acceptance. half of all americans support legalizing it, up from 31% in 2001. what are the implications regarding legalization both at home and south of the border? and are the new laws in washington and colorado a game changer in mexican-american relations. for the current issue of "new york" magazine benjamin wallace-wells pens the title "the end of prohibition" he argues u.s. drug policy has shifted, quote, without really acknowledging it, we are beginning to experiment with a negotiated surrender. benjamin, there are many people i know not naming names who would like to see the white flag waved on the war on drugs. i will point you to a "washington post" editorial yesterday that talks about decriminalization but warns it is not yet clear how a quasi legal pot industry might operate in colorado and waugs or what its p
believe it will take up challenges to the fert defense of marriage act which is a law signed by president clinton and the part being challenged is the one that says as far as the federal government is concerned, marriage can only consist between a man and a woman. what the law means is that in the states that allow same sex marriage, the federal government doesn't recognize them. if the challengers were successful and that part were struck down, it wouldn't mean the states have to grant same sex marriage, it would sim mr. i mean in the states where marriage is legal the federal government would have to recognize the marriage tax consequences, federal benefits and so forth. the court will also consider the challenge to the whole question of whether states must grant same sex marriage. that's the big california case, the prop 108 case and less certain the court will take that case, i think. those are the two biggies that we'll watch. we may or may not find out on friday whether they will take them. we'll find out friday or the following monday. >> there is also some late breaking news in ju
and that quote the constitutional declarations, decisions and laws issued by the president are final and not subject to appeal. morsi insists the powers are only temporary and will expire when a new constitution is drafted. ed state department, which had just openly praised morsi responded delicately. saying the decree raises concerns and calls for all parties to work together. morsi's critics were less tame. protesters declared the revolution a jeopardy. and muhammed elbaradei said morsi. morsi usurped all state powers and appointed himself egypt's new pharaoh. a major blow to the revolution. >>> i want to talk about those consequences right after this. e? challenge the need for such heavy measures with olay. regenerist micro-sculpting serum for firmer skin in 5 days. pretty heavy lifting for such a lightweight. [ female announcer ] olay regenerist. for such a lightweight. is bigger than we think ... sometimelike the flu.fer from with aches, fever and chills- the flu's a really big deal. so why treat it like it's a little cold? there's something that works differently than over-the-
into law in 2011. if republicans are willing to let the bush tax cuts for the rich expire as part of a larger framework, it's going to be not just a quiet christmas in washington, but a smooth one for the economy. i should say that we invited mr. norquist on the show e to explain why his pledge will hold, but he declined. so joining me now are two folks who have experience watching the pledge distort american politics and scotch many a deal. robert riech and now the president of the center for american progress, thank you both for joining me tonight. >> great to be with you. >> i want to begin with you, robert. does this feel different to you? pretty much the the first thing you guys did was propose a budget to reduce the deficit and it included a lot of tax increases and you didn't get one republican vote because of them. do you think republicans are cracking now? do you feel something different in the air? >> undoubtedly something different is in the air. it's called an election victory. but i will believe when i see it that republicans beginning to agree to a tax increase. grov
the revolution and a constitutional declaration and issues of laws are final and not subject to appeal. morsi insists the powers are temporary and will expire when a new constitution is drafted. the state department responded delicately saying it raises concerns and calling for all parties to work together to resolve their differences. protesters went to tahrir square. judges called for a nationwide strike. the winner of the nobel peace prize and important figure said morsi shed his nickname in favor of one familiar to most egyptians. powers appointed himself egypt's new farrow. a mayor blow that could have dire consequences. i want to talk about them after this. those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. >>> we are talking about morsi, the leader of egypt, the first democratic elected leader who gave a somewhat stunning declaration this week. he gave himself nearly limited power. it's created uprising in tahrir
? law students released a report explaining how the idea for banning gay marriage in the constitution could have broad, unintended consequences for more than 600 other laws already on the books in that state. it's funny. if you listen to the beltway talk about what's going on in american politics, the major narrative about what's going on is about the sort of course correction happening in the republican party. the republican party has learned its lesson. if only in the interest of self-preservation, republicans are giving up on these policy stances that cost them so much in the last election that made their party seem pre-modern. all of the stuff that alienated young people, women, gay people, if you listen to the beltway media, the course correction on this problem post-election is totally underway. >> we didn't sell a positive vision. we didn't explain to people what we're for. >> we have to show we're serious about reaching out and helping everyone. everyone in this country to live their peace and the american dream. >> it's one thing to shoot yourself in the foot. just don't relo
the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. constipated? yeah. mm. some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. >>> congress returned to work today after a grueling and extended thanksgiving vacation, and to mark this solemn event, we're introducing a new series on the nation's top lawmakers. we're calling it "red, white, and true." and today we focus on the magnificent republican representative of tennessee, dr. scott -- >> i'm the conservative pro-life republican doctor, scott desjesrlais. >> as a conservative pro-life republican doctor, the congressman rode the tea party wave to washington just two years ago. but things have gotten a little tricky since then. you see, in divorce proceedings released after election day, this severely conservative pro-life republican doctor admitted to having sexual relationships with multiple women, including two of his
's life. this is truly a sad situation. we're in the process of working with law enforcement. >>> next, authorities in florida confirmed that they missed evidence that someone in casey anthony's house did a computer search for the term "foolproof suffocation" on the day her daughter died. casey anthony was acquitted of murder. >>> the u.s. supreme court will consider a challenge this week to the defense of marriage act. the law was passed in 1996 and bars federal benefits to same-sex couples. >>> and the powerball jackpot for wednesday has grown to a record $425 million. and based on sales in 42 states, the total jackpot could go a lot higher. >>> now here's your first look at this morning's dish of "scrambled politics." who's afraid of going off the fiscal cliff? well, not anti-tax crusader grover norquist who tells "the wall street journal" he thinks republicans will hold the line on taxes. and if there's no deal, norquist isn't worried, telling "the journal," the woerld won't come to an end if this isn't resolved before january. meanwhile, in "the new york times," warren buffett tak
a new message from congressman boehner today saying that the president's health care law adds a massive expensive unworkable government program at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of ur country's entire economy, we can't afford it, we can't afford to leave it intact and goes on to say that's why he's been clear that law has to stay on the table as both parties discuss ways to solve our nation's massive debt. i made an error. i just realized i made an error and need to correct myself. that is not a new message. >> it's not. >> the same thing. if i'm not mistaken, correct me if i'm wrong, this goes back to the debt ceiling negotiations from last summer when they just threw that on the table. what speaker boehner and the republicans can't do legislatively and they've tried, time and time again to repeal obama care, and have failed, they're trying to, you know, thrust this in a situation in a must-do situation. and quite frankly, you know, the supreme court came out and said the law is constitutional, they've tried time and time again in the house for sure, in congress
is to implement the supreme court-backed law of the land. >> that's right. >> to me what he's saying is really quite scary when you get down to it. >> i want to ask -- there's a question on that because essentially they've been defeated three times in each of those venues. what is it they're thinking -- now they're trying to drag it into the negotiations over the fiscal cliff, which does not sound like compromise to me. what am i missing? >> what they're thinking here is you can use smoke and mirrors to block the thing. you can send misses to health and human services to gin up all kinds of things to keep republicans happy. they're talking about blocking implementation of something the american electorate has voted on and supreme court has held constitutional. i find this to be a little scary. >> i think it's a lot scary. i think it outs them about not being sincere about wanting to work with the president at all. a final question to you. a month from today the congress is going on vacation. that's how long we have to get this fiscal cliff situation. are democrats going to hold their spine and
of florida's republican party, he's making a stunning claim about the state's early voting law saying it was deliberately designed to suppress minority votes. it's just one of the things we thought you should know. join our conversation on twitter. you can find us at @tamronhall and at @newsnation. a winter wonderland doesn't just happen. it takes some doing. some coordinating. and a trip to the one place with the new ideas that help us pull it all together. from the things that hang and shine... ...to the things that sparkle and jingle. all while saving the things that go in our wallet. more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. get fresh cut savings. live trees are arriving weekly. now's a good time to think about your options. are you looking for a plan that really meets your needs? and your budget? as you probably know, medicare only covers about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement plans, they pic
tried to rig the election with the voter suppression laws and what they might have done, some republicans are saying, maybe we should broaden our appeal to win the next time. but these guys said, we just didn't rig it enough. and what's remarkable, you look at what husted wants to do in ohio, he wants gerrymandered house districts to determine where the vote goes. so obama would have carried the state and romney would have gotten 12 of 18 electoral votes. that doesn't make any sense. governor walker said he was concerned that this was unfair to poll workers that they had to register voters. now since these are, as far as i can tell, the only public employees for whom he's expressed sympathy, that can't be the reason they are doing this. and i just think that -- i hope this is a passing thing and that there are other forces in the republican party saying, no, we need a more fundamental rethink. they only need to shift about four votes in a hundred. you'd think they would have the confidence to win a fair election by converting just four people out of every 100 people. >> we hav
introducing a bunch of laws on a state level that would be anti-voter suppression laws and force the republicans to legislatively take a stand on it? >>. absolutely. we should definitely do that and continue to unite with the voting groups. we're not going to sit by and let them to continue to push this kind of stuff. what happened in 2010 cannot happen in 2014. we have midterm elections in congress but we have general assemblies where folks have to re-up to the voters. we need to make sure that every voter understands very clearly that folks who try to sup prees the vote should not be in office. it's a mow strom of foolishness and the people cannot allow them to stand. >> they do. which brings me to the next question. are you going to run for secretary of state in the state of ohio? >> you know i'm seriously considering that. and i plan to make an announcement in january. the folks of this state need a secretary of state and ohio is ground zero, as we found out in 2012. i'm calling on not just the justice department, but all on the federal level. we need their help on state leve
university law professor. likely to make at least one appointment in his second term. for justices, they are in their 70s, justice ginsburg with to po tenial she could retire being she is 79 years old. who would be the key, you think, to being replaced first, though? >> yeah. so i don't think that we can go solely on the ages because the ages are only a weak proxy. marty ginsburg, justice gips burg's late husband, how frail is a justice, she can do 25 push-ups, how many can you do? she wants to stay on at least as long as her hero, justin brandeis, a few years from now. >> who would be the next logical person looking to get off the bench? >> the next person who might get off the bench, it could be scalia, kennedy. i think they'll be hanging on with their fingernails to wait out this administration. and justice breyer, of course, is 74. so you have two people who are 76 and 74 underneath that. >> appointing a justice to the supreme court has always been seen as a history-changing moment for any president to do so. but in this case, does the president care wholeheartedly about changi
international law on the subject. let'sit this all through the spin cycle. and a couple of things here. as a liberal i am sort of troubled by how much we use drones and in particular the lack of transparency here. we really don't know exactly what's going on. but i will say this. one aspect i think that's not brought up is there is an actual moral case to be used for drones, which is this. because of the nature of the ins strument, you can actually be more targeted than other options and studies show there is actually less collateral damage from the use of drones than from other options. there was a study that showed, you know, the proportion of civilian deaths is between 4% and 20%. for drone use. comparable tactics, more like 46%. so there is a moral case to be made there also we shouldn't underestimate our men and women are out of harm's way. and there are lots of charges about liberal hypocrisy. i will say this and basically is this. liberals were very outspoken under the bush years, not so much under obama. ly say this. the drone rule book really underscores there's a lot of execu
's dumbest term limit law will get repea d repealed. is there any progress on that? are you ready to sign that bill saying, hey, i'm not going to seek it but for the next governor there should be re-election? do you believe there should be re-election? >> people ought to have a choice. there's 26 years in a row the constitution has attempted to be amend amended by the legislature. it's failed every year. i think it's time to create a choice for the people. >> do you think that this has hurt -- are there things you can't get done because you get turned into a lame duck governor too quickly? when do you feel the politics makes it harder for you, for any sitting governor? >> some of the media it's about a month after you get elected. no, but, what it does do, it creates a real sense of urgency to get things done. it creates the freedom to do what you think is right. >> so that's the upside. >> the down side is i think sometimes you see more power to the legislature but also to appointed officials within the administration that go from governor to governor. so i think on balance we ought to j
, california striking down their three-strikes law. that says let's not have nonviolent drug offenders go away to jail for a long time. judges and police say this is a losing battle. let's move towards treatment and decriminalization and treat it like alcohol rather than prohibition and criminalization. we have a mexican president saying, hey, let's look at a different way to treat this thing. let's talk about what he recently said. in favor of opening a new debate in the strategy in the way we fight drug traffickings. it's clear after several decades we have more drug consumption, drug use, drug trafficking. things are not working. a change in the drug policy would have a massive impact on the economy and on crime in both north america and throughout south america, and would lead the way and open the path toward a more humane immigration policy and people in america accepting them. >> i think you're right. it's been interesting. as things have moved politically in terms of the war on drugs, we've also, of course, seen after this election potential movement on comprehensive immigration reform.
where one of the hosts, cheri jacobus, had questionable reasoning for photo i.d. laws. let's hear what she said. >> voter photo i.d., obama lost every one of those states. he can't win in a state where photo i.d. is required. so clearly there's something going on out there, and until there's a way to have something done about it, where when you report it, you know it's going to be looked into, the other side just says, oh, well, you're just poor losers and that sort of thing. >> your tone suggests you're a little upset with me. you're preaching to the choir. >> no, we get that. >> i'm with you completely. >> well, get this, president obama lost georgia, indiana, kansas, and tennessee not because of their strict photo i.d. laws but because of their conservative voting majorities obviously. >>> next, a whole new meaning for a campaign in shreds. we're talking literally. the remains of some documents with information about mitt romney's campaign motorcade went through an unlikely disposal process. they became the confetti found by bystanders at the macy's thanksgiving day parade. some par
about that? couldn't the democrats start introducing a bunch of laws on a state level and all of these states across the country that would be anti-voter suppression laws, enforce the republicans to legislatively take a stand on it. >> absolutely, ed. we should definitely do that and continue to unite with the voting advocates groups. we are not going to sit by and let them continue to push this kind of stuff. a number one lesson we should learn, what happened in 2010 cannot happen in 2014. we have midterm elections in congress but we also have general assemblies and governors mansions across the state where folks have to reup. they have to reup to the voters. we need to make sure that every voter understands clearly that folks who try to suppress the vote should not be in office. it is a malstrom of foolishness and the people cannot allow this to stand. these folks need to be voted out of office, ed. >> they do. which brings me to the next question. are you going to run for secretary of state in the state of ohio? you know i am seriously considering that and i plan to make an
is wrong with u.s. labor laws. little has changed for labor under the obama presidential administration. in fact, at a federal level, few have even commented on recent labor organizing against walmart. while on a local level, whether it be boycotting or purposefully spending your money at a retailer, shopping at walmart is aligned with certain political statements. yet, the majority tends to have few choices about the matter. back with me at the table is the panel. dan, let me ask a little about this. it does feel to me like a couple of retailers the choice to shop there or not shop there. a political statement. grover norquist is tweeting, avenge twinkie. shop at walmart today. >> now if you're a walmart shopper, you're somehow pro -- how does this happen? >> you know, walmart workers taking the stand has certainly brought an amazing debate. that debate includes tweets like that. the thing that's been much more exciting is a larger debate that's happening. walmart is the largest employer in the country. the debate that's happening is -- as said by then senator obama, what is the respon
reform law was historic, many people -- i actually assume that most of the five people at this table think that it's a shocking thing that america is the most powerful country on earth before the health care law was passed, had a massive number of many, many millions of uninsured people in the country when every other industrialized country has universal coverage. >> right. we do all agree with that, right? >> one of the more historic things, it's going to move millions of uninsured people into the ranks of the civilized world. >> and as the president promised, also not only is he going to put 30 million people on the rolls for health care, it's also going to save us money. so it tastes great, willie, and it's less filling. >> i don't know how he's going to pull that off. >> i don't know how you pull it off. but he said it, and i believe it. that settles it. >> how does the most industrialized country in the world -- it's saying that those two things are compatible. my god. >> why don't you move to luxembourg? >> i'm actually thinking about that. >> that would be awesome. >> yeah. >>
lawmakers will interviews a new voter i.d. law. in ohio, they are limiting abortion rights and defund planned parenthood. new anti-abortion rights are coming in wisconsin as well, where the state's governor, scott walker, also wants to scale back voting registration. >> states across the nation have real problems because the vast majority have poll workers who are working 12 hour days and most are retirees and it's difficult for them to handle the folks that come at the last minute. it would be much better if it was done in advance of election day. >> better for who? republicans? what are these people doing? voter suppression that alienates minorities, that alienates women. this is the kind of thing that led to losing the election. senator john mccain went on fox news yesterday. and while he didn't say much that i agreed with, he did say this. >> there is no doubt what so oh ever that the demographics are not on our side and we are going to have to give a much more positive agenda. and as far as young women are concerned, i don't think anybody like me, i can state my position on abort
and your tax cut will be higher. but congress can change the tax law. remember, the republicans themselves did this when they raised taxes on teenagers who work six years ago. so the immediate effect is less than the boogeyman effect. the thing to watch for is do the democrats and president obama hold firm or do they betray the people who put them in office? >> would it be a betrayal at this point, do you think? >> if we come up with a gimmick that really makes the tax burden not fall on the very wealthiest of people. but on upper middle class americans and middle class americans, that would be something of a betrayal, yes. >> what does this do to republican's credibility on the economy? after they have gone through this era of obstruction, they have talked down the economy and then numbers like this come up, you'd think they'd be concerned about that. >> what they are trying to do here, ed, is if they are unable to get their own troops in line to make a deal, if they are going to pledge more allegiance to grover norquist than to
the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. >>> now, she might be the president's choice to succeed hillary clinton. would you support her? >> i would be very hard pressed. >> if it were john kerry? >> he became within a whisper of being president of the united states. i think that works in his favor but, i would love to hear him make his case. but i don't have anything in his background like this tragedy in benghazi, that would make me really want to make me carefully examine the situation. >> if president obama nominating john kerry in stead of susan rice, massachusetts would hold a special election to fill kerry's seat, which provokes this question. >> would you be running again in the special election? >> there's no vacancy that i'm aware of and we'll see what happens. >> with elizabeth warren poised to be sworn in in january, today, the scott brown for senate campaign 2.0 got everything it could hope for from john mccain, lindsey graham and kelly ayotte after their meeting with a
buys around the country, that actually president obama wasn't changing gun laws to take anyone's guns away. and then paul ryan pulled off his microphone and his handler put that piece of paper up in front of the camera and paul ryan never did another local news interview until he lost the election and the campaign was over. i'm thankful for local news reporter who is work generally in lousy conditions with lousy support for lousy pay, and who do things as wide rangingly wonderful as ktla covering the story of the glendale bear wandering the streets of los angeles, to cbs atlanta, building this wacky graphic to accompany the story of the georgia republican state senators holding a seminar on president obama's mind control techniques, to the political reporter for the abc affiliate in miami who had the big pitcher of water thrown all over him, when he was bravely trying to report on the story of the scandal-ridden now former congressman, david rivera. i'm thankful, specifically, for james carter, who brought the infamous 47% video from mitt romney to light with help from david corn at "
. and check out the preventive benefits you get after the health care law. open enrollment ends december 7th. so now's the time. visit medicare.gov or call 1-800-medicare. >>> 15,000 hostess works are out of a job on thanksgiving, a bankruptcy court judge has given the make of twinkies, wonder bread the okay to wind down business and sell off assets. 3200 employees will help find buyers, which includes drake cakes and dolly madison ice cream. hostess failed to reach a deal tuesday. >>> walmart is asking federal officials to stop union bank protests and walk-outs but any decision's not likely to come until tomorrow at the earliest. workers protesting for better pay and benefits and against opening up on thanksgiving tonight early for shopping. >>> no working on wall street today. marks closed for thanksgiving. santa helped ring the closing bell to mark the 65th anniversary of the marines toys for tots program. >>> ready, set, shop. the biggest shopping weekend of the year's about to kick off. estimated 147 million of us will take advantage of black friday weekend sales, 4% more than last year
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